Ok this is getting quite tiresome, this back and forth has been going on too long, the issues are out there on the forums lets move on. F104 will never be a vortexmilkman customer again and vortexmilkman will not vend to F104 again...end of story. If either of you are not happy with the situation PM me directly don't keep slinging this shit on the forums. It's really starting to bother me. I'll take care of further post by either of you on this situation from now on and your posts will be pointless. So just move on. nomad bloodbath